Comments on: the fallout http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/ Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:32:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: gargamello http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7332 gargamello Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:56:03 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7332 I think that print newspapers nowadays should focus and pare down, instead of adding sections. Make it short and sweet. You look at the NY Times, for example, and it's a phone book. Ugh. Their numbers are way down too. Make it easier for people to pick it up and be done with, otherwise, like one poster pointed out, most newspapers will end up in the recycling bin. I think that print newspapers nowadays should focus and pare down, instead of adding sections. Make it short and sweet. You look at the NY Times, for example, and it’s a phone book. Ugh. Their numbers are way down too. Make it easier for people to pick it up and be done with, otherwise, like one poster pointed out, most newspapers will end up in the recycling bin.

]]> By: Mike http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7285 Mike Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:25:48 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7285 Much appreciated. It'll be good to meet you all next Friday. Much appreciated. It’ll be good to meet you all next Friday.

]]> By: Ryan http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7284 Ryan Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:44:12 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7284 By the way, I'm sorry you lost your job, Mike. I hope you find something soon. And welcome aboard. By the way, I’m sorry you lost your job, Mike. I hope you find something soon. And welcome aboard.

]]> By: Mike http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7278 Mike Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:41:24 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7278 The JOA has kind of been the giant pink elephant in the living room that no one in upper management has really mentioned much in the past few months. It's a little frustrating, because it's undoubtedly the source of a lot of this mess in the first place, but it surprisingly hasn't been a scapegoat. I don't understand as much as I'd like to, but I know enough about what's happening now that I'd want out, even if I wasn't being laid off. Coming in to work as it is now is kind of like being on death row. It's not that extreme in a literal sense, of course, but the morale around here is pretty goddamned low right now. The JOA has kind of been the giant pink elephant in the living room that no one in upper management has really mentioned much in the past few months. It’s a little frustrating, because it’s undoubtedly the source of a lot of this mess in the first place, but it surprisingly hasn’t been a scapegoat.

I don’t understand as much as I’d like to, but I know enough about what’s happening now that I’d want out, even if I wasn’t being laid off.

Coming in to work as it is now is kind of like being on death row. It’s not that extreme in a literal sense, of course, but the morale around here is pretty goddamned low right now.

]]> By: Ryan http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7276 Ryan Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:58:32 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7276 The Times does have some popular blogs (Geoff Baker's comes to mind). I have only read a P-I Reader Blog by accident. So, I don't know if embracing blogging as the P-I has is really the difference-maker. Although, it certainly underlines the fact that the Times' online strategy is a lot less robust than the P-I's. I think there are many reasons why the Times is struggling -- part of it being their out-of-touch editorial positions. Every time they write an editorial that positions them outside of the mainstream they lose touch with the community. Those editorial positions create the culture of the paper and it filters, subtly, into the reporting (as much as they say it doesn't, it does). I think readers sense that, too. The P-I is a much more accessible paper, for that reason. Also, I haven't heard anyone talking about the JOA lately. I'm surprised the Blethens didn't directly blame it for their struggles. The Times does have some popular blogs (Geoff Baker’s comes to mind). I have only read a P-I Reader Blog by accident. So, I don’t know if embracing blogging as the P-I has is really the difference-maker. Although, it certainly underlines the fact that the Times’ online strategy is a lot less robust than the P-I’s.

I think there are many reasons why the Times is struggling — part of it being their out-of-touch editorial positions. Every time they write an editorial that positions them outside of the mainstream they lose touch with the community. Those editorial positions create the culture of the paper and it filters, subtly, into the reporting (as much as they say it doesn’t, it does). I think readers sense that, too. The P-I is a much more accessible paper, for that reason.

Also, I haven’t heard anyone talking about the JOA lately. I’m surprised the Blethens didn’t directly blame it for their struggles.

]]> By: drgonzo http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7275 drgonzo Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:41:58 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7275 I think you share the exact same feelings as a TON of Seattle area locals - especially ones in their 20s and early 30s. I think you share the exact same feelings as a TON of Seattle area locals – especially ones in their 20s and early 30s.

]]> By: Dylan http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7274 Dylan Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:38:45 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7274 It really seems like the P-I's approach -- embrace blogging, focus the core resources on what the newspaper does best -- has paid off, while the Times' inability to understand blogging has killed them. They didn't need to launch special sections; they needed to launch blogs around the areas they were focusing on. A year ago, we cancelled the Times print subscription because we realized that half the time it was going straight into the recycling bin unread. Why read the paper version when the same articles are online? It really seems like the P-I’s approach — embrace blogging, focus the core resources on what the newspaper does best — has paid off, while the Times’ inability to understand blogging has killed them. They didn’t need to launch special sections; they needed to launch blogs around the areas they were focusing on.

A year ago, we cancelled the Times print subscription because we realized that half the time it was going straight into the recycling bin unread. Why read the paper version when the same articles are online?

]]> By: drgonzo http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7273 drgonzo Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:32:39 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7273 It definitely sucks, but I'm glad I have a good network of people in the right places. I might be pretty bored for a month or two, but whatever happens, I'm gonna handle it. It definitely sucks, but I’m glad I have a good network of people in the right places. I might be pretty bored for a month or two, but whatever happens, I’m gonna handle it.

]]> By: wesa http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-7270 wesa Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:13:46 +0000 http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/04/10/the-fallout/#comment-7270 So many industries in this area have been failing lately. It's hard to watch as friend after friend is laid off and left looking for a job. So many industries in this area have been failing lately. It’s hard to watch as friend after friend is laid off and left looking for a job.

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