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	<title>Comments on: Guns, Bombs, and Freedom, Northwest Style</title>
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		<title>By: naiah</title>
		<link>http://seattle.metblogs.com/2005/07/28/guns-bombs-and-freedom-northwest-style/comment-page-1/#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>naiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would like to see would be statistics on the effectiveness of such increased security measures.  Are they uncovering anything?  Or is the publicity of such things only driving mischeif makers and terrorists further underground?



I cannot imagine that anyone contemplating anything that could do significant damage to just be carrying somethign around int heir backpack, y&#039;know?  Yeah, the cameras/searches could catch someone careless, but they simply provide another hurdle for those willing to plan around them...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would like to see would be statistics on the effectiveness of such increased security measures.  Are they uncovering anything?  Or is the publicity of such things only driving mischeif makers and terrorists further underground?</p>
<p>I cannot imagine that anyone contemplating anything that could do significant damage to just be carrying somethign around int heir backpack, y&#8217;know?  Yeah, the cameras/searches could catch someone careless, but they simply provide another hurdle for those willing to plan around them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: D. Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that was a conversation killer, &quot;Roger D.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that was a conversation killer, &#8220;Roger D.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ROGER D.</title>
		<link>http://seattle.metblogs.com/2005/07/28/guns-bombs-and-freedom-northwest-style/comment-page-1/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>ROGER D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU ALL ARE TALKING TO MAINLY WHITE READERS. NO POINT TO THIS DISCUSSION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU ALL ARE TALKING TO MAINLY WHITE READERS. NO POINT TO THIS DISCUSSION.</p>
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		<title>By: praz</title>
		<link>http://seattle.metblogs.com/2005/07/28/guns-bombs-and-freedom-northwest-style/comment-page-1/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>praz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>answer this question:  have you ever been singled out or profiled solely because of your color?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>answer this question:  have you ever been singled out or profiled solely because of your color?</p>
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		<title>By: dru</title>
		<link>http://seattle.metblogs.com/2005/07/28/guns-bombs-and-freedom-northwest-style/comment-page-1/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>dru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one too seldom. one too few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one too seldom. one too few.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Hills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Hills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I disagree with the above posters - I am lily white, and I&#039;ve been detained and mildly harassed by our lovely police thanks to post 9/11 panic. It was incredibly appropriate, as it was the subject of the day&#039;s class I was teaching, but still irritating. Basically, I was holding lysing fluid in small centrifuge tubes inside a larger lab tube (think plastic test tubes, I guess) at the bus stop, along with pap smear brushes (they&#039;re excellent for collecting DNA from cheek scrapings), and someone thought it was weird, or something, because suddenly there were cops asking me to step into the corner, questioning me, telling me I was being temporarily detained under the patriot act, etc etc.



It&#039;s a very good thing they were able to get ahold of medical folks who could verify what the material was and that what I told them I was up to was actually true.



I do think that people of colour, especially anyone from the Middle East, &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; have it harder, but it&#039;s not like being white gives you an all access pass.







So yeah, beyond that - how has it affected me? Eh, the increase in cameras downtown bothers me a bit; I once counted them for a class project, and came up with something like over 200 from Alaskan to 5th between Lenora and Madison, or somesuch. I subscribe to Brin&#039;s free information philosophy, and think that if those cameras are there, I should have the ability to see what&#039;s on them (a la the traffic cams and such). As a student, I carry multiple bags and backpacks, and typically a computer - going into any government facility now guarantees a search of the bags and a request to prove that the digital camera, film camera, computer, iPod, etc, are all real working electronics. ...don&#039;t even get me started on SeaTac.



So yeah, life has become more inconvenient in certain areas, and it&#039;s irritating. Especially since it&#039;s largely empty gestures, and not actually things that will seriously deter anyone from maliciousness. (Take, for example, our trash cans everywhere. They&#039;re perfect targets for bombs. Toss one in disguised as trash, walk away, and two minutes later a large explosion can take out a lot of people. There&#039;s a reason London did away with public trash recepticals years ago...)



I wouldn&#039;t mind security if it actually did something, and it was shared information, but what we have right now is an attempt to have security through publicity, which works about as well as security through obscurity; not very at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I disagree with the above posters &#8211; I am lily white, and I&#8217;ve been detained and mildly harassed by our lovely police thanks to post 9/11 panic. It was incredibly appropriate, as it was the subject of the day&#8217;s class I was teaching, but still irritating. Basically, I was holding lysing fluid in small centrifuge tubes inside a larger lab tube (think plastic test tubes, I guess) at the bus stop, along with pap smear brushes (they&#8217;re excellent for collecting DNA from cheek scrapings), and someone thought it was weird, or something, because suddenly there were cops asking me to step into the corner, questioning me, telling me I was being temporarily detained under the patriot act, etc etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very good thing they were able to get ahold of medical folks who could verify what the material was and that what I told them I was up to was actually true.</p>
<p>I do think that people of colour, especially anyone from the Middle East, <i>can</i> have it harder, but it&#8217;s not like being white gives you an all access pass.</p>
<p>So yeah, beyond that &#8211; how has it affected me? Eh, the increase in cameras downtown bothers me a bit; I once counted them for a class project, and came up with something like over 200 from Alaskan to 5th between Lenora and Madison, or somesuch. I subscribe to Brin&#8217;s free information philosophy, and think that if those cameras are there, I should have the ability to see what&#8217;s on them (a la the traffic cams and such). As a student, I carry multiple bags and backpacks, and typically a computer &#8211; going into any government facility now guarantees a search of the bags and a request to prove that the digital camera, film camera, computer, iPod, etc, are all real working electronics. &#8230;don&#8217;t even get me started on SeaTac.</p>
<p>So yeah, life has become more inconvenient in certain areas, and it&#8217;s irritating. Especially since it&#8217;s largely empty gestures, and not actually things that will seriously deter anyone from maliciousness. (Take, for example, our trash cans everywhere. They&#8217;re perfect targets for bombs. Toss one in disguised as trash, walk away, and two minutes later a large explosion can take out a lot of people. There&#8217;s a reason London did away with public trash recepticals years ago&#8230;)</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind security if it actually did something, and it was shared information, but what we have right now is an attempt to have security through publicity, which works about as well as security through obscurity; not very at all.</p>
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		<title>By: franklin k</title>
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		<dc:creator>franklin k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s fo sho.  if you aint a person of color you&#039;ll never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s fo sho.  if you aint a person of color you&#8217;ll never know.</p>
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		<title>By: dru</title>
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		<dc:creator>dru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it depends what color you are. the whiter you are the less you&#039;ll get harrassed if any.  and that&#039;s being real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it depends what color you are. the whiter you are the less you&#8217;ll get harrassed if any.  and that&#8217;s being real.</p>
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